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Episode 55: The Indoor Kids
Batman Batman Batman!
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The Indoor Kids #55: Batman Batman Batman!

Given the Batmania that the country has been infected with, we decided to do a podcast salute to the Dark Knight, the Caped Crusader, Gotham’s Savior, World’s Greatest Detective, Bats, the weirdo in the outfit, etc. and so on. We discuss all Batman movies, most Batman games, some Batman comics, and a few Batman cartoons – and who better to join us than a fellow superhero, Hulk, aka Film Critic Hulk (in Bruce Banner mode). Don’t worry, we don’t discuss anything about The Dark Knight Rises until the very end, and we give a lot of warning before the spoiler-filled discussion.


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  1. Nick says:

    I know I’m late to the party and this probably will never be seen, but part of having a good discussion is actually knowing the facts behind what you’re talking about. As soon as they got to talking about the animated series and started missing on some facts about the show, I got worried about how they were going to talk about TDKR. Kumail’s criticisms don’t really make sense. When Bruce jumped out of the prison, it wasn’t because fear made him jump higher. It was because he did it without the safety net of the rope which had been pulling him back. He also complained about the timing at the end of the movie, and how the amount of screen time going by wasn’t matching up with the bomb’s clock. Unless you had some sort of multi-screen experience there was no other way to show what everybody was doing all at once. So something would happen then we’d get a look at what had happened with another character while the first thing was going on. TDKR definitely wasn’t as good as TDK, but I feel that so many people are so upset about that that they won’t just admit that it was still a very good movie. Instead they think it makes them cooler to be different and write it off as crap. But when those people start to provide their reasoning for why the movie is bad, it’s very evident that they either didn’t get it or didn’t really pay close attention, and are basing their opinions off of the emotional let down of the finale not being as good as the penultimate movie.

  2. Rob says:

    Hulk lost all credibility when he started explaining, with complete confidence, the history of ninjas incorrectly.

    Nolan didn’t have to make TDKR, but according to Hulk’s insider knowledge he didn’t really want to? Oh. Thanks for informing us. There wasn’t even a script written yet after TDK was released but apparently Hulk heard about an invisible unwritten script featuring The Joker. What is this Nolan mind reading technology called and how can I get my hands on it?

  3. JTP says:

    WOW Hulk is an utter asshole. I think he should jump off “The Dark Knight is the greatest comic book movie” wagon. TDK is not the best comic book film and TDKR is way better than TDK. The main thing that destroys TDK is the goddamn awful boat sequence at the end of the film. I love the movie but I fast forward through that part every time. If you want to see a great comic book film, then watch Kick-Ass, Spider-Man 2 (which is the best comic book movie ever made) or X-Men First Class.

  4. Noah says:

    I thought TDKR was just a great experience. From the perspective of which comics Nolan chose to use and the one’s he didn’t is what makes it so cool to me. While I am a fan of most the things Nolan has done, I personally felt that ‘Inception’ wasn’t smart enough and left the theater feeling “unfulfilled”. Our criticisms are heavily influenced by our perspectives. But, I didn’t get that with TDKR. I wanted to see it again, and did so…two more times. I figured that Bane’s representation of terrorism was rather obvious, but perhaps it wasn’t. It seems to me that I find most of the criticisms are coming from a place that doesn’t represent or acknowledge the Dark Knight story line that Nolan chose to go with from a particular series of comics. The people who were the most blown away seem to be those who recognized the nuance of specific details that were big parts of ‘Knighfall’ and ‘No Man’s Land’. The time tables might not line up for whatever reason for some, but that is how it happens in ‘The Dark Knight Returns’ comic series, except it is even longer, 10 years. It is actually pretty cool from the standpoint of the comics, which is ultimately what they should be sticking to anyways.

  5. Matt C. says:

    I really enjoyed this discussion but I have to disagree with Film Critic Hulk on the amount of time between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. He said that he estimated about 2 months, but that makes no sense. That would mean that Gordon started, recruited for, and organized the MCU, Harvey Dent ran a campaign, and got elected, Rachel and Harvey met, started dating, moved in together, and fell in love to the point where Rachel would accept his marriage proposal, Batman and Gordon cracked down on organized crime, Scarecrow partially regained his mind and broke out of Arkham, and Bruce had the makeshift batcave built in secret, within the city, all happened in 2 months. Not to mention what Film Critic Hulk stated about how Batman had become embedded in people’s minds and Gotham’s history, which would have taken more than the supposed 3 or 4 months of those two movies That all leads me to believe that its at least 1 to 2 years in between those 2 movies.

  6. Matt C. says:

    Please excuse my grammer and punctuation, its late and I’m sick.

  7. Goatwitz says:

    I’m glad to see that many in these comments disagreed with the negativity in the podcast. There’s definitely some things wrong with the film but, for me, it was brilliant.

    I was disappointed in Hulk when he laughed about how Bane shed a tear at the end of the movie. Hulk is talking about how the film seems like Nolan didn’t care as much and decided to make it a bit more Hollywood (at least how that’s how I took his criticism) but he thinks that because Bane is a tough guy that him shedding a tear is unbelievable.

    Personally I thought Bane’s emotion really rounded out the character. And I also thought the ending was great. It seems like a happy ending is seen as cliche nowadays, regardless of it’s actual quality.

  8. slowmo says:

    Yay!, you guys mentioned my favorite game of all time, Revenge of Shinobi. The version I had in America had Spider-man and Batman intact as an end stage boss(es). Unfortunately “friends” stole my cartridge copy and all I have is the version that came with the Sega CD. It displays a copyright notice at the very beginning for Spider-man and Batman is changed into a generic winged guy.

  9. Tjohn says:

    You shoulda talked more about how amazing Injustice looks! Oh wait no, Emily hates fighting games i forgot. I say you should shoryuken her in the face and get a new co host. Also, Batman is awesome thanks for doing this podcast!

  10. Marela says:

    There was also the revolution against aristocracy that brought Caesar to power, the horrors of the French revolution, and almost every other example in history.. They almost always get out of hand..

  11. Alex says:

    I thought your discussion on the Dark Knight Rises was actually pretty interesting (and I totally see why this felt less thoughtful than the previous film or any other film Nolan has made). However, I don’t think the film’s message was lost. Faraci on BadassDigest had an interesting, albeit limited take on the politics of the film that I too recognized.

    I saw the message to be one of revolution becoming an overrated and rushed concept in modern society. When you have disorganized and angry masses clamoring for the blood of the rich, whether these particular rich are responsible for society’s ills or not (like Bruce Wayne), it becomes frighteningly easy for an evil, opportunistic force to take control, like Bane did. What results is not a truly free and equal society, but a despotic regime propped up by rhetoric claiming that the regime is at the behest of “the people”.

    If anything, the film was mirroring the beginnings of the Soviet Union and its satellite states, especially with the brilliantly-portrayed Kafka-esque show trials judged by Scarecrow. The film, above all else, was an indictment of the needlessly oppositional rhetoric of the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party and movements like them before it. It might feel a bit conservative for some people, but that’s a very unique take for a Hollywood film to take.

    I just wish people would stop calling Batman a fascist because of the big blue screen in the Dark Knight.

  12. Dave says:

    Sorry Levelled Batman lived this was not Inception.

  13. Anna says:

    Hulk, you may think you realized something about Dark Night Rises not having an idea, or repeating old ideas, or being somehow not that mind-blowing…but I hate to break it to you, that’s just Christopher Nolan. Honestly, look at all of his movies…They aren’t exactly the most amazing films, the plots are (contrary to what fanboys often say) predictable and sometimes don’t actually entirely work when you think them through. They are entertaining, they are pretty, he has a great way of directing in terms of sound and look and getting great actors together, and he kind of paws at an idea in them, but (and this is especially true of his Batman series) if you try to take them at much more than face value, they become much less impressive.

  14. Matt says:

    Great episode, I could not agree more with you guys on everything you said! My only complaint, is that you do not put out more episodes of your podcasts : ) I mean, its not like you have lives or anything. Ha, keep up the great work!

  15. LevelledUp says:

    More thoughts and more spoilers for TDKR.

    I didn’t love TDKR, I’d give it a B/B+ but I felt like you guys don’t give it enough credit for both the sad ending (Batman clearly died) and also for the themes and ideas, which contrary to your guest did tie in well. The central theme was about rising up from the pit of dispair with the help of a leap of faith. For Robin, for example, that leap of faith was trusting in Batman. And by the end of the film you see with Batman dead, Robin is now going through a trial/initiation of sorts in a remote area to follow in his dead idol’s footsteps. When it comes to themes and ideas I felt it worked better than TDK.

    Also as a side note I loved the Talia reveal, which came as a surprise to me, because it made the movie make more sense overall. That she was the brains behind this operation.

    If you want to fault the film, fault it for having Batman take a large knife, a deep cut and then be fine and saving the world right after that. Fly a Batman plane after getting a big knife stuck in you? No problem.

  16. LevelledUp says:

    Spoiler for those who haven’t seen it.

    So I finally got a chance to see TDKR. I”m surprised you guys thought Batman lived and that it was a happy ending. To me it came across very much that Alfred was imagining that final image in the restaurant and drinking a tribute to his memory. It would be a very unlikely coincidence that Wayne happened to be in that restaurant in the same spot Alfred had talked about, and on the same day Alfred came in again. Batman died.

  17. Justin says:

    I didn’t listen to the end because I haven’t seen the film yet, but just wanted to drop a note and say how much I enjoyed the rest of the discussion. The history of Batman is a rich topic and you guys did it justice in the time available, with a layered, intelligent conversation that was fun to listen to throughout. You guys regularly strike that balance on the show and I find myself listening more and more. Keep up the great work!

  18. Marela says:

    And yet his written review is not nearly as arrogant.. Strange.. But I guess that you can always edit your true self when writing essays..

  19. Marela says:

    I think you should have done your own episode, instead of giving in to this guy’s opinions.. I would have liked to know how you personally felt about the movie..
    When this guy started explaining what ninjas were with complete authority, while knowing nothing about the subject, it made me a little sick inside.. Of course this kind of man becomes a critic.. Of course

  20. shawn says:

    The only thing i was annoyed by was that the guest on the show didnt know shit about ninjas. Most of his knowledge about ninjutsu seem to come from western movies.

  21. Matt Grandis says:

    Ah, now I understand where you’re coming from! We all know those kinds of critics, and frankly — they’re assholes. No argument from me there. If you have the time, do have a look at Hulk’s review. I really don’t think he’s “one of them”. Apology accepted, I should have been more clearly myself. So, all good here — high five for nerd passion!

  22. Chris says:

    I understand that you and others didn’t fully like the movie, and I’m cool with that.

    Again, I didn’t read his review. I don’t like reading reviews because I’m not a fan of people who can’t do what these artists do grading the results of months of their lives. Usually, critics are just pointing out little crap to make themselves sound above the artist. Can’t stand that. Not saying Hulk does this, just a general feeling I have towards critics. We have a guy here in Fresno that is such an ass we all purposefully watch whatever he down grades.

    It was Hulks tone and attitude during this that I wasn’t a fan of. Just my humble opinion. My initial remarks were to point out where his critiques were wrong, or at least to give some thought to why I believed he was wrong. I know people get all pissed when the word hipster is used. But, his tone and attitude just made me feel that way.

    In regards to the quote comment, no excuses your comment irritated me and I responded in a juvenile way at first before putting thought into my response. For that I apologize.

  23. Matt Grandis says:

    I wasn’t responding to you alone, that was a reaction to several of the aggressivly Comic Book Guy-esque “burn the heretic” style comments here. But then this is explicitly for you, Chris: have you read Hulk’s writtern review?

    It’s not just nitpicking, he’s giving good reasons and presents arguments to reinforce his opinion. As much as I don’t have a final word on what is hipster, you don’t get to have a final word on what constitutes a good review. So TDKR is popular. That’s great. But so is Twilight. Does that make any criticism towards Twilight “nitpicking” either? No, I’m not saying TDKR is as bad as Twilight. As I said, TDKR isn’t a bad movie. But I — and other people — have good reasons why we didn’t like it as much as other people. I expected a good or very good movie, I got a … not bad movie. I didn’t plan on shitting on anything (quite the contrary), I just didn’t “feel” the movie. I had to ponder it when I got home. Then I listened to / read Hulk’s review and it clicked. Yes. That’s why it didn’t work for me. Especially when you look at Nolan’s other work, it shouldn’t be so easy to “nitpick the hell out of it”. Because it’s really damn easy to do so. And that’s disappointing. I think Nolan is a genius, The Prestige is one of my all-time favorite movies, and I thought Inception was mind-bendingly great. So.

    And lastly “quotes are used when … quoting people”. Talk about nitpicking and a condescending tone.

  24. Chris says:

    Dude, calm the hell down. I didn’t say anything like that. For future reference, quotes are used when…quoting people. I said he was nit picking the crap out of a very popular movie in a very condescending tone like anyone who didn’t see it that way was dumb. To me that’s hipster. I didn’t once say he was hipster for not liking the movie. I said it was the tone, and the nit picking way he tried to take it apart. As far as the Avengers, I loved that movie too. It was great for what it was. But, even that could be nit picked to death if one so chose to. I don’t see the correlation to this though. You must have me confused with a Nolanite.

    Eithr way, I didn’t call him a hipster. I didn’t say if you didn’t like it you’re a hipster. I don’t know any of hulks other critiques. I just said his tone and attitude in this conversation here was.

    Not sure why you’re evening job of cursing out hipsters gives you the final say on what is and isn’t hipster. But, have a good night anyway. 🙂 cheers

  25. Matt Grandis says:

    Seriously? Seriously?! “Film Crit Hulk has a different opinion on something I liked, so he must be a hipster who loves shitting on stuff”? What’s with the Comic Book Guy attitude? As someone who just spent a good part of his evening cursing hipsters, I happen to completely agree with Hulk. TDKR had it’s moments, some good, some great, but all in all it left me oddly empty. It’s not a bad movie, not by a long shot. But I personally don’t think it’s a very good movie either. Funnily I agree with another one of Hulk’s reviews — he was practically gushing over The Avengers. Does not shitting on The Avengers make us hipsters, too?