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The Indoor Kids #134: Tricks and Relapses with David Wain

Today The Indoor Kids welcome David Wain (director, writer, former member of The State) to talk about how he had a real live arcade in his garage at the age of 12 and why he can’t play games that much anymore, plus an Intro Kids with punchy and tired Kumail and Emily. Where else are you going to hear card tricks on a podcast?


Dark Castle, Combat, Defender, Ms Pac Man, Lemonade Stand, Tetris, GTA Vice City, Crazy Taxi, Crazy Taxi 2, Guitar Hero, Rocksmith, GTA IV, Animal Crossing New Leaf, Candy Crush Saga, Pokemon, Tearaway, Assassin’s Creed 4, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate


Hits, Wet Hot American Summer, Role Models, Wanderlust, They Came Together, The Ten, The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, The Talented Mr. Ripley, Superman/Batman, Watchmen, Dawn of the Dead, Gremlins


The State, Children’s Hospital, The Meltdown, 24


Morris Day and The Time, Daft Punk


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  1. GooseGanja says:

    FYI … apparently according to other listeners … Kumail calling me out in the comment section and on twitter is the first time in over a year Kumail or Emily has responded to any comments here … good (opinion) or bad (opinion). So all these comments calling foul immediately after a comment you dont agree with (aka your love letters to Kumail) are just falling on deaf ears. Sorry to report the facts.

  2. GooseGanja says:

    I love how I write a 1 sentence comment and that some how spawns people like @DefenderOfTheFaith to write a freakn book in response about how Im a “troll”. @DefenderOfTheFaith … how is it ok for you to call me names and tell me to go fuck myself because I did the same thing you are doing in that very same comment? Your lame sense of righteousness to defend the creators and your double standards is just sad.

  3. RG says:

    I’d say there’s also no need for your defenses, but different strokes for different folks… I’m not gonna tell you you shouldn’t make them. I think they don’t work unless you tone them down, but there’s no need to belittle them any less than anything else.

  4. DefenderOfTheFaith says:

    Oops, wrong comment section.
    rhzunam not gonna let me live this one down.

  5. DefenderOfTheFaith says:

    Rich Sommer really knows his board game makers!

    I think your only real mistake was taking it extremely personally when people like Kumail and Emily don’t like something you like (i.e: The Hobbit).
    So chill out man, no need for epic posts that most people probably won’t read anyway, here or on the Harmontown subreddit. Unless of course, it helps you sleep at night, if so, then type your little heart away dude!

  6. RG says:

    All that really happened was Kumail saying you can fuck off. Dan was a little more generous about it, and said that he has stuff like that, but basically, you have to own it and know that it’s your own thing, and not on somebody else. I think that’s fair.

    Honestly, I think your post was more rude than it should have been, but you tried to give a little benefit of the doubt at the end. If you could have done more of that, or spoken in a more self-aware way about it, it might have been more effective.

    My mistake was swearing about stuff, not AT Kumail and Emily, but even to emphasize my own emotional reaction to the tone of an episode. At the time I felt like maybe it was more empathetic, but retrospectively I could have given the benefit of the doubt and said, “Hey, I wonder where you guys are on something: you’ve been shitting on a lot more stuff than you’ve been celebrating lately; personally, episodes have felt a little bummed out and made me hesitant to listen if I’m having a down day… That’s not the norm, so I hope everything’s going OK.” But I guess that just feels manipulative and dishonest, so even if it reflected badly on me, I opted for honesty. I dunno. It was meant to be a discussion, not just empty hate or passive-aggression, but sometimes you kinda can’t win.

    Still, all of this was made worse by overly-passionate defenders calling people names and making comments about them as humans. When somebody says, “How dare you tell them how to make their show, you’re worthless and I hope you die,” isn’t that more offensive? It’s in bad taste to let that slide because you happen to be on the same side. That happened on the other thread, and yunno how many people jumped on the guy who said “I hope you die”? One. Lots of people jumped on the complainers, but only one of them jumped on that guy.

    So… we’ve all got social flaws. In the end, that guy will say that to somebody who just had a death in the family and he’ll realize why he was a dick. Rhzunam will have someone tell him that the sound of his breathing is disgusting and he’ll realize why he was a dick. DefenderOfTheFaith already had a sarcastic dick call him out for making generalizations about a nationality, and maybe he realized he was being a dick… and if everything goes well, in 16 years I’ll have a daughter unloading her “honest emotions” on me and realize why I was a dick. We just have to figure out what to do with all the dicks in our lives.


  7. rhzunam says:

    I don’t listen to Harmontown and I’m not going to start either.

  8. DefenderOfTheFaith says:

    You should listen to the latest episode of Harmontown. Kumail talks about you and your hiccup complaint.

  9. rhzunam says:


    Totally true. Maybe the mistake I made was that I got tired and stopped responding with the @defenderofthedouchebag and people thought I was talking to the hosts and not to his BS about protesting something that had nothing to do with content. Maybe Kumail and Emily didn’t get it or this board is just ultra defensive but it was legitimate complain that got sidetracked because some guy who came on with a total thin skin defense of the podcast when the complain was more than reasonable.

  10. RG says:

    Thanks man. Everything’s stable; I didn’t wanna play the external crisis card but I realized the perspective was probably necessary. Anyway, I don’t wanna ramble anymore since I think it’s clearer now where I stand, but yes… I get drawn into defensive walls of text, but I’ve always had paranoia about presenting myself clearly, so much of it is a desperate attempt at explanation. But by the time I get that chance, replies have usually become super inflammatory and that gets to me just the same as my thing got to someone else I suppose. So, maybe we can just try not to escalate so much.

  11. Ichabod Mansfield Asbury Trevor Wilhelm Achilles Tanenbaum says:

    Well first let me say that I hope your wife is doing OK. I can only imagine how difficult it is to have two loved ones in the hospital at once, so best wishes and good-feels to all three of you. If I was religious I’d could put you in my prayers, but alas, all I have are good vibrations.

    If I had to give a systemic reason for my dislike of your posts it would be your slavish need to defend every single thing you say or do regardless of merit with no apology, and you’ve pretty much just shattered that, so…fuck it. I’m sorry too.

    If you want to get into an in-depth conversation about the nature of trolls, the merits of different methods of online discourse, and why I think it’s uber-shitty to shit on the providers of our entertainment we can do that, too. Up to you.

  12. RG says:

    Anyway, I’m throwing ideas out there, and I’m not saying they’re perfect. I’m just trying to discuss things. I reread my post from last night and realize it probably seemed more snide than I intended it to, so I’m sorry about that.

    But there IS a difference between making a complaint about a podcast vs. calling another human being a name because of their complaint. Even in my frustrated post last week, I tried to make sure not to comment on anybody as people and just say where I was at with it and how that specific conversation came off. I’m not saying it was right or wrong–I can agree that it was probably badly-structured and that the impression I gave people was wrong–but it was very hard to admit any of that when people started calling me names and making assumptions about the whole of who I am as a human being. Even if “guardian knights” was taken offensively, it’s only meant as a comment on your position relative to this podcast. Can we agree that’s quite minor, compared to inferring that someone is mentally ill?

    We’re all actual people. Can we maybe try not to forget that, just for good will’s sake? What I posted here last night was not relevant to anything that happened last week, but a comment on this thread and the general state of comment threads surrounding this show. I’m sorry if I’m just coming off as an asshole; I really don’t intend to. I’m sort of under a bit of duress and I can’t guarantee that everything conveys my intent, but my intent is to try to make peace. But I think my points about how to solve these problems are still worthy of consideration. People have defended this podcast, have they not? OK, so let me remove the label I’ve placed upon that. I apologize. Now, people have complained about this podcast, have they not? OK, let’s remove the word “troll”; trolls don’t care enough to discuss conflict resolution. So now what? Do we just keep name-calling? Or can there be something done?

    The point about “not having to be such dicks” meant that nobody needs to be provoked to be downvoted. The defenses don’t have to come from a few committed passionate defenders, but in small doses from everybody. Because whatever I tell you about myself, it seems you’re not willing to view me as having any good will whatsoever, and you certainly can’t deny a presence of hated comments on these threads. I’m talking about a way to reduce that. It seems like you’re detracting from that idea simply because I’m the one saying it, when in fact it would serve to shut down people like, well… like me: pieces of human garbage with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, even in real life away from the computer. So I don’t get your protest.

  13. RG says:

    Also, “loose” was not meant as an insult; it’s just the way this podcast is, compared to every single other podcast I have ever listened to in my life. There’s less editing, it’s more casual because the intros are just them being goofy… And the comment section is somehow fundamentally different from every other podcast I’ve seen. The subreddit suggestion was just a way to add accountability to the community; I know it would have made me think through my post last week more thoroughly and try to be less of a bummer. But I see more of these drawn-out fights here than anywhere else, so I don’t know why you’re making fun of that suggestion. Also, guardian knights was not meant as an insult. There is a guy here called “DefenderOfTheFaith” so I’m simply going with what i thought these defenders wanted to be seen as. I apologize if that is an unfair characterization of you.

  14. RG says:

    Look man, I’m sorry you have such a problem with my posts.I’m not calling people horrible things and insulting them, because I’m trying not to do that sort of thing to my fellow human beings. I don’t believe in shaming people; that’s not how I try to resolve things. I believe in the validity of all honest viewpoints, and that means giving myself validity. When people start name-calling, that’s when I begin to doubt their validity, because they’re not interested in any positive change. Am I perfect? No. There’s a give and take, but I don’t shame people.. That’s a fundamental part of who I am. Even what I said last week was just a weak emotional response, and I’m sorry it’s so offensive to you, but if you can’t acknowledge that it counts as being a dick to tell someone they’re disgusting and deplorable because of their responses to a podcast, then you’re turning a blind eye. Kumail and Emily haven’t done that; only the fans have. The other fans are the ones who drag it all out, and when people post to defend themselves against name-callers, it makes them appear way more passionate than they would have if it was just left alone, because they’re trying to defend their personal voice. The hiccup guy who continues to post wasn’t a dick about it until somebody started something with him; at first he just assumed it was a part of common decency and professionalism to take something like that to heart, and he assumed common decency of the hosts. Do I agree that it’s a big deal? No, but he wasn’t being a dick about it. Nobody was until people were dicks to him. Now he looks like he cares way more about it because he got jumped on. If there was just no attention given to it, Kumail and Emily would probably be less stressed out over all this talk.

    Yes, I did have time in my hands, because I was with my pregnant wife in the hospital overnight. I’m sorry if that has colored my statements in a way that I didn’t intend, but I’d really appreciate it if you didn’t try to make me out as a crazy person and treat me like a human being; I’m only trying to be a peacemaker and see both sides, and I’m sorry a prior comment has colored that. I don’t want this to be a problem, but I’m also not just going to expect people to stop complaining ever and just berate them if they do; shaming is how trolls are born, not better commenters.

  15. Ichabod Mansfield Asbury Trevor Wilhelm Achilles Tanenbaum says:

    Whoops. Looks like someone beat you to it.

  16. Ichabod Mansfield Asbury Trevor Wilhelm Achilles Tanenbaum says:

    1. If you want a subreddit go ahead and make one, RG. You clearly have some time on your hands.

    2. I think you need to brush up on your definition of the word “overlook”.

    3. They’re not “accidentally controversial”, nor are they any more “loose” in their format than other podcasts in their genre. They’re different from other podcasts because they share their actual, irony-free opinions on the subjects they discuss instead of avoiding sharing opinions by making jokes 100% of the time and thereby deflecting negative comments.

    4. I’m offended by the intrinsic double-standard in your posts implying that if you’re being shitty to a podcast host then you’re just giving negative feedback and your comments should be “shrugged-off” or sifted through for “silver linings”, but if you’re being shitty to another commenter then you’re a “guardian knight” and you’re being a “dick”. Guardian knight? Sorry, but if you’re going to belittle my point-of-view and lazily whittle it down to a tiny phrase that incorrectly surmises my motives so that I’m neatly and securely reduced, classified, and categorized into a laughable little pejorative so that you can dismiss me with a clear conscience…well I guess two can play that game, can’t they, troll?

  17. RG says:

    *on… Typing on my phone, blah, whatever.