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Interview: Aaron Freeman Discusses Moving On From Ween, Being A Dad, Remembering His Voice

Since dissolving Ween in 2012, Aaron Freeman has been on a mission of convalescence. In addition to achieving sobriety, Freeman shed his Gene Ween moniker and, for the first time in his life, wrote songs under his own name. Over the course of two years, Freeman moved his family to Woodstock, New York, began teaching music at a local school, and relearned how to summon his voice and play his guitar. Now, the legendary musician is back in the fold, writing melodic acoustic songs with a tinge of outlandish humor, reminding us that often the most serious things in life can be the funniest as well. Below we discussed the music he listened to on his path to sobriety, being a dad, the making of his new album, FREEMANand his current thoughts about Ween. Make sure to check out his show when he goes on tour next month.

Nerdist: I was surprised, that first song, “Covert Discretion” starts the new album on a really introspective and honest note. I was curious – what was it like to finally write in the first person like that?

Aaron Freeman: That’s always been kind of my writing style. If there’s one place to be honest, it’s in your music. It just comes from experience. I know how well Ween fans, or people in general, respond to that kind of thing. I did that in “Baby Bitch”. I didn’t want people to interpret it in different ways. I wanted to be really direct. There was a lot of suffering that went on, and you have to share suffering with people. That’s the way everybody gets un-isolated. 

N: Was it scary to write without the veil of Gene Ween anymore?

AF:  I’ve studied rock and roll history, and I know the first record by the guy after the band breaks up. You know, you could write a book about the first record that the guy makes after the band breaks up. Ninety-five percent of the time, they’re just the most completely lame pieces of shit.

N: And self-involved.

AF: So I was very aware of that. When I wrote the record, it was like, OK, I really have to get simple with this stuff. If I over-produce it at all, I’m going to get called on bullshit, even with myself. And that’s how I approached it. That’s why it feels minimal. All it really is backing-track band and my vocals, you know. I’ve got such a history with Ween, obviously. It’s always going to be a substantial part of me. If I’m going to do this, I’m just going to be really honest and simple for the first record. It took me a while, man. Just like you would expect. It took me a couple of years until I could open that part of my brain up again.

N: You’re not exactly starting from nothing, but what is it like to have a new chapter opened?

AF: Very spiritual. I’ve had to be very spiritual and trusting that way since I left Ween. I resolved that if I never even made another record, that would be OK, because at least I am on the right track, and I’ve done the right thing to get healthy. If a record comes along, that’s great. So the only track I’m on is, you know – I want to make music, I want to be an artist, and I’d like to just enjoy myself.

…Discussing addiction…

N: Tell me a bit about your path to sobriety.

AF: I knew I had to leave everything – my hometown, my band, the majority of my friends – in order to get myself healthy. Whether it was their fault or not, in me, it was something I had to do.

N: Right. It was objectively necessary.

AF: Absolutely necessary. You have to physically not be able to f-ck around. I really didn’t know whether I would ever [play music] again, and that is a very hard thing to deal with. But you can do it, and I did it. My family and I were living off of a hundred bucks a week. We didn’t know what the f-ck was going to happen. And then, eventually, things got better, and things are getting better. So it’s just a part of life, you know. It’s a part of life of trusting. The world will do you well if you try.

N: Were there any albums that helped you get through your rough patches on the way to sobriety?

AF: Yeah. Some calming music that I always loved. I like Bert Jansch. It’s that really nice, beautiful, acoustic, English, folk-rock from that era. Fairport Convention – so many great, beautiful folk songs, and that would always just take me right out; a lot of just positive stuff. A lot of reggae, you know, because that’s always, like, “you can fight through it; you can do it.” Music has always been like that for me – a lot of music I always listen to, to sort of escape my reality, so I soaked in a lot of that, and it really helped me. For a while, I didn’t listen to any music at all, but when I can start listening to music again, that’s what I do.

N: Is there anything that you know about yourself now that you didn’t before?

AF: Absolutely. In a lot of ways, I was really clouded. And anybody with drug and alcohol addiction knows that. You just don’t know what it’s like to live day-to-day, and have problems and anxiety. The most I’ve learned in the last two-and-a-half years is how to wade through things, how to have some peace with myself, and how to get to know myself. I really had no frigging idea who I was for a long time. So you grow up a lot, especially when you’re in a band, where you can really afford to not grow up and do things that normal people do. So I learned the art of accountability. I learned the art of stability, and wading through things, as simple as that sounds, and how not to obliterate myself at the first sign of discomfort.

…Discussing fatherhood…

N: You have two kids right? Are they into music as well?

AF: My daughter goes to LaGuardia [High School of Music & Art] in New York City, so she’s at a pretty big-time music school. It is a big deal that she got accepted into there.

N: So are the kids familiar with Ween? Probably not the whole history, but the music at least?

AF: Well, my daughter, who’s 15, she’s been listening to Ween her whole life, but not listening to it. It’s just, “This is what Dad is doing, this is Dad’s new song,” or this or that. But now she’s alone with her iPod, and she’s really checking out Ween as a musical thing. So she’s just learning that, so it’s pretty neat.

N: What about your son?

AF: My son, he was here for the whole record–the new record. When I would bring home a track, or when I was seeing if the vocals were too high or too low, I would ask for his input, and he always gave it to me. Ninety percent of the time, it was something I would totally agree with.

N: Kids aren’t going to lie to you either. Kids can be so honest that they’re mean, so what he thought was the truth!

AF: You’re exactly right. He’s like, “I don’t like this one. It sounds better.” It’s just like you said. They’re not lying; they’re not placating you. He gets really embarrassed because I have this anxious habit – probably why I’m a musician – of singing out loud when I go into any kind of place where there’s people, like a restaurant. It’s like this nervous tic I have. I’ll walk into a restaurant, and I’ll be like, [singing goofily], and my son gets really embarrassed. He punches me in the arm. “Stop that!” And I never realized I did that.

…Discussing Ween…

N: How do you feel about the Ween chapter of your life right now?

AF: I think Ween had a very natural progression, and I don’t see what all of the hubbub was about. We f-cking busted our asses. We had a really full career. Just like things wind up–things wind down. I can’t speak for Mickey, but I know he knows that. Things were winding down. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. And I f-cking love Ween. I loved it. It was incredible. I’m so proud of it.

N: What is the status of your relationship with Mickey?

AF: Um – not. I mean, we’ve had a couple of e-mails and this and that, and I guess it’s something–I’m sure we’ll speak again. I think there’s just some ruffled feathers, and just like everything else, time will take care of that.

N: Are there any Ween songs you need to take a break from for a while?

AF: Yeah, sure. “Voodoo Lady”. If I ever f-cking have to play “Voodoo Lady” again, it’ll be too soon. [laughing]  I couldn’t stand it. I couldn’t stand it! All the big fans were like, “They hate this.” But there are plenty of Ween songs that I’m not sick of playing. Mickey does a band, and he plays a lot of the songs. That’s always going to be an open option.

N: Are you worried about reactions from former Ween fans?

AF: Yeah, yeah. I’m going to make a sign, I think, when I tour. “Are you disgruntled? Go f-ck yourself in the butt.”

N: Head to brown town!

AF: Yeah. Take a trip to brown town! But, you know, it’s getting less [problematic], and what is nice is, and what I wanted is, when I get compliments on Facebook or this or that, there’s always the word ‘love.’ “I ‘love’ your record,” or “Your record is beautiful,” or this or that, and that’s where I want to be. I want to make beautiful music. I want to be described as loved and beautiful.

Aaron Freeman’s new album Freeman is available now.

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  1. Mo says:

    I can dig it, liken’ it.  Dude is cool, met dude once, hope dude has great success with this.

  2. I get the guy’s got to do what he has to to stay off the sauce and go on living.  But until the day comes where he can get through an interview without literally telling his fans to go fuck themselves, I’m just going to write him off.  “Gener’s Gone,” indeed.  He’s been replaced by this ingracious prick.

    • joenuff says:

      he gave us decades of great ween music. like it or not, showing up to his new project and being disgruntled that he’s not gene ween is the definition of ungrateful. those people (ween fans who can’t let him move on) should fuck themselves

      • …and yet when you show up at his “new project” you still hear Ween songs. Not really sure what you’re supposed to take away from that mixed message. “To all you fans out there who miss Ween, I say, ‘go fuck yourselves in the butt’. Now for my next number, here’s ‘Exactly Where I’m At’ by Ween.”  Sounds more like he’s the one who can’t move on and is blaming everyone but himself.

        • Edward Beaurhowe Dingle says:

          Hi Brian – sounds like someone sucked on the wrong back of dicks this morning. I personally don’t recall the legal contract that came in each ‘God Ween Satan’ album that obligated them to be anchored as part of Ween as infinitum. Maybe that came with the superfan patriot pack and I just missed it. Your grasp of reading comprehension is breathtaking. Aaron Freeman is a beautiful soul moving in and matriculating through life and evolving like we all should. Are you that much of a simpleton that you feel slighted about and unprepared remark made in an interview? How shallow is your life? I’m sure it hurts when you are sitting in your studio apt listening to Blarney Stone, Bananas & Blow, and Richard Smoker on perpetual loop knowing they broke up but odds are your shitty fandom didn’t contribute in any way. Brian Costello: Table for one. 
          PS: your whole family is a faggot. 
          PPS: yes, one collective faggot. 

        • Edward Beaurhowe Dingle (hey, your name is kinda like that one lyric! Crazy!), that may be the best thing I’ve read all day. Thanks for that. And wait, you DIDN’T get that legal contract with your copy of GWS? Must have only been for us patriot superfans. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a bag of dicks to go suck in my studio apartment whilst I continue to not contribute… er… shitty fandom… um… wait… collective faggot… oh, whatever. You’re the Shakespeare here, not me. I’m the shallow simpleton. Anyway, enjoy the rest of your awkwardly angry homophobic day, I guess. After all, you only have a couple of weeks left before school’s back in and trust me, Junior High is reeeally scary! Move, matriculate, and evolve, my brother!

    • Emily J. says:

      I don’t feel like he’s telling all Ween fans to fuck off–I think he’s referring to a particular type of Ween fan: one that is “disgruntled” as he puts it above; one that would rather him keep the party going, keep playing Voodoo Lady, keep being Geener. I don’t find him ungracious in this respect at all. I’ll always love Ween, and I love what he’s doing now. I’m looking forward to seeing him in about two weeks!

      • Emily J. says:

        Just wanted to add one more thing: to me, playing Ween songs at his shows isn’t inconsistent with him moving on as a musician. It feels more like a respectful nod (who doesn’t love hearing “The Argus” live?) He’s coming to these songs as a person in a different spot in his life, and I see no problem with that.

    • Mac says:

      I agree with your comments Brian, and it pains me to say that because I really respect A and M for all their creativity. I would think he would show a little respect for those fans that bought CDs and tickets over the years. Although the first song on Freeman debut explains how he felt at the time shortly after the Vancouver show, the line ’cause you will go home satisfied’, sure back to my shift work grind, he should be happy living his dream of playing music in a successful band. Nobody’s fault but Gene’s, although I’m not sure he entirely feels that way. The best thing he could do, in time of course, is play with Ween again sober and show he can do it. It’s not like the rest of them are a bunch of waste cases, and Ween must be a bit of a money machine. These guys owe it to themselves and their fans. Start the tour in Vancouver.