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Episode 108: The Indoor Kids
Borderlands and…
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The Indoor Kids #108: Borderlands and Morederlands with Anthony and Ashly Burch

Today Kumail and Emily are joined by Anthony Burch, writer of Borderlands 2, and Ashly Burch, voice of Tiny Tina. We talk about the game, the process of creating a balanced game, their web series Hey Ash, and way more! Plus Burnside, news, Twitter games and more!

WARNING: there are some Borderlands 2 spoilers, courtesy of Anthony, but we give you audio warning before they happen. But for real, play the game.

SPOILERS AT: 53:10-57:35 and 1:05:25-1:06:50


Borderlands 2, Ico, Aliens: Colonial Marines, D+D, Animal Crossings, Rogue Legacy, Spelunky, Guacamelee!, The Last of Us, Call of Duty, Orcs Must Die 2, Far Cry 2 and 3, Gunpoint, Fez II, BioShock Infinite


The Goonies, Shaun of the Dead, Shame


Firefly, Ninja Turtles, Adult Swim


Hey Ash

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  1. Kelley G. says:

    Watching Beta Male now. Seriously – the 5 buck deal is great and we’re all glad it supports you guys better.

  2. David says:

    Haha. That quick swipe at Fox news about all being lies was hilarious.

  3. Noel says:

    My comment in regards to the whole Phil Fish/Angry Gamer thing is I’m just getting sick of journalists and/or bloggers whose “thing” is being angry or annoyed. There’s too many angry nerds around the place as it is.

  4. Tina says:

    Tiny Tina is the s$^t. Sooooooo excited for this episode.

  5. Tillburg says:

    Voices Tiny Tina and likes The Binding of Isaac? Be still my beating heart there is hope.

  6. Joshua Bryan Hammack says:

    *Material Girl (and not Like a Virgin)

    I don’t know my Madonna songs.

  7. Joshua Bryan Hammack says:

    Dear Emily V Gordon,
    I had the album of Industrial covers when I was in c.c. It is called Virgin Voices.
    I love the Like a Virgin Cover of Madonna.
    Here is the Link:

    Ashley Burch was super cute. I sorta of wished she did the whole interview as Tiny Tina.

    I am curious why Gearbox hired a different writer from Borderlands 1 and Borderlands 2.

  8. Roman says:

    Hey Indoor Kids,

    Just wanted to let you know that the biggest competitive esport competition ever is happening right now in seatle and I’m surprised that you’re not covering it at all.

    Almost 3 million in prize money and over 1.4million to first place.

    Game: Dota2
    Tournament: The international.

    Teams from all over the world are there.

    Just thought you were missing out.

  9. Mark says:

    Was there an error in this? The part where you talk about the industrial Madonna album comes up twice. Great podcast btw, just thought I’d point that out!

  10. Ben Clarkson says:

    People who have to ruin D&D by acting out and being dicks are the worst people ever.

    Worse than litterers.

  11. NotMF says:

    I don’t know how sales and stuff work, but since I got Beta Male from Amazon, is Kumail seeing any of that money? I pre-ordered it to try and support him, but now it seems like CC Direct is the way to go.

  12. Clint Osborne says:

    I generally listen to the podcast on Stitcher but for some reason they only have 11 minutes of this particular one. I shall not be denied the awesomeness of that which is Tiny Tina.
    On a side note I have to say all the Indoor Kids fans I have met on Twitter and in the real world have been super cool and nice.

  13. Connor Sims says:

    I was in the playtest team that had to kill the skagg pet!

    The skagg kill was awful when he acted cute and fun, and when the other playtester said that he had to put his dog down, everyone in the room sat around for a couple moments in silence

    Super awkward!

    Rest of the beta was awesome!

  14. Aeshir says:

    ohhhhhhh myyyyyy goooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

    this makes me SO HAPPY HOOOOOOLY SHIT

  15. Kristoffer says:

    when Kumail is sad so am i.

    cheer up!

  16. Joe Friday says:

    I find myself disinclined to find fault with your assertion! Kumail is a superlative male human and, in my estimation, in the 96th percentile of professional amusers! It is a lamentable verity, however, that emotional dispiritedness and fatigue is felt intermittently by all humans regardless of their individual merits. :)

  17. josh c says:

    I’ve been watching HAWP for quite awhile now and i’m a huge fan, this is so awesome.

  18. matt says:

    Kumail sounds bummed out during the intro. Don’t be bummed out, Kumail!
    Really, who is better than Kumail? Not a statistically relevant number of people, I think. The special was great.

  19. will says:

    YES YES YES YES! I haven’t listened yet, but holy mother of Auggie Biscuits, YES!