James Bonding James Bonding #005: GOLDFINGER with Alie and Georgia Posted by Katie Levine on October 3, 2013 Share: Twitter Facebook Google+ Reddit Email Alie and Georgia come on the podcast to talk about the controversy they found in Goldfinger! Follow @JamesBondingPOD, @MattMira, and @MattGourley on Twitter! Tags alie and georgia, James Bond, james bonding, matt gourley, Matt Mira Comments Luke says: December 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm “She should have kept her mouth shut.” Chum lee says: December 4, 2013 at 6:34 pm I’m sure your sick of hearing it but the Goldfinger episode was an affront to Bond fans everywhere. I can appreciate the fine art of friendly critique but good lord wtf!!!! The part that really irritated me was the guests complete disrespect for both of the Matts. Not only did they come completely unprepared to discuss the movie but they hijacked the conversation and dominated the direction. At least one of them had the honesty to admit they tuned out and switched to Pinterest and other websites. It wasn’t so much their shocking lack of appreciation for the movie that drove me nuts – it was their treatment of both of the Matts. I felt like they were just there to shill their own gig. Love the podcast hated that episode. Alie and Georgia owe the Matts an apology. raVen_image says: November 29, 2013 at 4:41 pm Alie and Georgia need to have a sense of humor *spanked* into them. Also, I’m not certain how effectively a film can be critiqued if the hosts are constantly apologising for being male. SwingandMiss says: November 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm Well not everyone one can work out. Ken says: November 25, 2013 at 6:32 pm Polarizing episode. I have to know whether it was done intentionally. My only problem with this style of episode is that you spent that last 15-20 minutes talking about drinks, because no one wanted to discuss the movie. Ted says: November 22, 2013 at 2:00 pm Awesome podcast Matt Squared. When are you going to discuss that iconic James Bond film Goldfinger? Jacabo says: November 21, 2013 at 6:27 am Just listened to this episode. I don’t have a problem with Alie and Georgia’s opinions on sexism but rather on their view that racism “doesn’t happen anymore.” I don’t remember who exactly said it but I will relisten to make sure that I didn’t mis-hear that statement. Weisolas says: November 18, 2013 at 8:16 pm Alie and Georgia made some valid points in this episode. I feel like they were more negative than other guests had been up to that point. Saying that you’ve decided you hate James Bond before the opening credits roll, that just seems spiteful to Matt and Matt. Jlond, Blames Jlond says: November 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm I thought this was a fantastic episode. Seriously, one of the best. I love the Bond films, and I love Goldfinger (my second favorite Bond film), but I’m not blind to their issues, and I thought Alie and Georgia were hilarious. I’m really shocked to see the comments in this thread. And anyone who attacked these podcast guests directly should be goddamned ashamed. What a disgusting, ungrateful, pathetic, cowardly thing to do. Bond is a big series with a lot of broad styles and tropes. Some people love it (I am one) some people hate it (and they have every right – as long as they are insightful or funny in their opinion, both of which these guests were). I can’t imagine anything more boring than a podcast series that was simply a laundry list of ‘I loved this…’ and ‘I loved that…’ Directors, producers, actors and viewers all bring something different to the franchise – that’s what has kept it going for 50 years now – and to suggest that some audience members don’t have the right to speak if they saw something they didn’t like, or if they are not willing to just gush praise at the screen is infantile. If your love of Goldfinger (and Bond in general) can’t withstand some legitimate (and funny) criticism, then it’s not the people criticizing who are to blame. You just need to grow up. Thanks for the podcast, guys, and thanks Alie and Georgia – you were great. I genuinely hope to see them back – perhaps to see a Craig era Bond to see how things have changed. CT says: November 6, 2013 at 6:04 am What an awful pair of guests. Period. steve mc says: October 31, 2013 at 1:48 pm Please do it again. There were obviously interesting bits you missed commenting on when the timeline got lost. The guests comments were fine for me and could have been enjoyable but once the thread was lost it was just annoying. Still it was better than Harrison Ford. HA! Monsieur Blanc Chevalier says: October 31, 2013 at 8:46 am I’m waaaaay late for the hate-fest in this comment page. No loss. Matt(s), I really enjoyed this episode and your guests’ refreshing and funny take from their modern, non-fan perspective. It made a very nice contrast to the Casino Royale pod with Amanda and Maria. Matt Gourley: I love the characterized Brit accent. I grin every time I hear it! Llarold says: October 27, 2013 at 5:17 am I hope Goldfinger gets a second pass, because that film does not deserve this episode of the show. If I wanted to listen to people shit on the things I love, I would hang out with my friends. Ian Fleming says: October 25, 2013 at 11:45 am M&M, please do a redo on this film–it is worthy of much more than the train wreck this episode was. But I do want to thank you for introducing me to Alie and Georgia, neither of which I will ever support in any way, shape or form. But I will gladly provide them with this bit of knowledge, however wasted the effort may be… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_%28literary_and_historical_analysis%29 Hathcock says: October 24, 2013 at 2:31 pm Please, no more Alie and Georgia, this was the only Nerdist podcast I didn’t finish. So much hate was spewed, I couldn’t. Mike says: October 23, 2013 at 6:11 pm In the cold open, Bond is attacked by a thug and kills him by pushing him in a bathtub, then tossing a radio in with him. Do you think this electrocution was an intentional foreshadowing of the way he would finally defeat Oddjob? (By the way, I’ve probably seen this movie 50 times, and I’d never made that connection until last month, when it was pointed out to me as I watched it with my 5-year-old.) License to License says: October 23, 2013 at 6:11 am I would recommend renaming this episode “Fun with Feminists” but that would demean the word “fun”. Has anyone bothered to explain to these women about the genre of fantasy ? Maybe they can look at some cheesy situational porn and get a clue. Trogdar says: October 21, 2013 at 8:02 pm I too tried Allie and Georgia’s podcast and it was unbearable. Please never have them back. Thanks. Jimmy says: October 21, 2013 at 4:55 pm I’ve heard Alie and Georgia on other podcasts and they sound like genuinely awful people. Kelly M says: October 21, 2013 at 1:27 pm wow @ this whole comment section. I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. The whole booze section was delightful and made me want to try some of those drinks… EricJ says: October 19, 2013 at 12:23 pm I really hope you go back and redo Goldfinger with a guest who likes the movie, and is as knowledgeable or at least as enthusiastic about the series as the Matts. Not attacking the guests for their opinion, it’s just that there’s so much to discuss about how this movie created the the tropes that would last for the next 45+ years and influenced not just all future Bond flicks but most action films in general, that this was really a wasted opportunity. Let’s put it this way – Matt Mira, if you sat down to listen to a Star Trek podcast, and the only thing the guest was interested in talking about was the sexism in “Turnabout Intruder” how much would you enjoy the episode? Trogdar says: October 19, 2013 at 9:42 am These broads are really annoying. Had to bail on this episode. Andrew Martin Dodson says: October 18, 2013 at 10:41 am So…yes, I was annoyed at first but now looking back on early Bond films, holy crap. Bond WAS such a psycho! It was like Mad Men without the examination and justification. lol Great job Allie and Georgia. I respect you. No, I’m not “White Knighting,” I was genuinely annoyed but then I dropped my entitlement issues and realized…dude, Bond was fucked in the head. Still love these films no matter what. Roger says: October 17, 2013 at 6:46 pm I made it 45 minutes through before switching off. Such negative guests. Even valid points presented so negatively without humour became awful to listen too. Super obnoxious guests. Ah well – onwards and upwards! Johnson says: October 17, 2013 at 6:37 pm I’m coming late to this comment party, but I’ll chip in my thoughts anyway. The episode was good for me, but think a little more structure could have improved it. Alie and Georgia seem to stymie any further conversation, which stopped interesting trivia from coming out. If Matt & Matt could have channeled them into a quick “Top 5 most insulting moments” or allowed a quick “what is wrong with this scene” then they could have moved on with other stuff. Still, I like the theory of bringing in newbies to the Bond franchise and if they hate the movie, then that’s fine. The episode can still be interesting. But maybe a bit of structure could carry the episodes through the awkward parts. Speaking of which, I would like to see a Tropes segment. Bond has his own tropes, so it would be fun to call them out. If not a segment, then just calling them out right before you say it. Dave says: October 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm At the risk of taking the side of some of the huge idiots in this thread…I really wish you stuck to people that like the Bond movies. ESPECIALLY for Goldfinger. I was looking forward to an in-depth discussion of the quintessential Bond movie, but it really got sidetracked. And it’s not like I disagree, but the podcast got so vitriolic that I couldn’t enjoy it. Was it an interesting discussion? Well, maybe at first. It got to the point of hyperbole and nothing was really being discussed, they were just jumping on every topic with the same approach. jestersfolly says: October 17, 2013 at 7:22 am This is my favorite episode as of yet of a podcast I very much enjoy. Please try to have them back for another episode or ten. And thank you for doing the podcast. Matthew says: October 16, 2013 at 1:42 am This is why I prefer the company of men. Frank says: October 14, 2013 at 11:24 am Yeah, after comments not only about the chauvinism, but about long opening title sequence and “janky” GPS, I had to call it quits on this episode. Don’t watch a movie from the sixties and be surprised that it is from the sixties. I get thinking the chauvinism is bad, because it is, but would they also rip on Citizen Kane for being black and white? Juim Bonnet says: October 12, 2013 at 1:53 am I’m female. I’m gay. When I saw Goldfinger as a kid I wanted to be Bond and hug Pussy Galore. When I was a teenager I wanted to be Pussy Galore and do the flight squad. That kind of projection is common – kids with capes. Quoting Plinkett, “It’s not the character, it’s the idea of the character”. I won’t stoop to a personal attack on the guest hosts – everyone grows and discovers they didn’t know half as much as they once thought they did. RG says: October 11, 2013 at 1:19 pm The problem is: they weren’t fans. I agree with most all of their points, but you catch more flies with honey. This podcast hadn’t previously been a Huffington Post article, but it became one, and that’s a bit misleading for regular listeners, and you simply can’t blame them for their reaction. Some people have fragile tastes, and sometimes those escapes are the ONLY things they can enjoy in their shitty day at their shitty job. Some peoples’ enjoyment is easily tainted, and if they go into a podcast made by people who typically reinforce their tastes but instead wind up having to listen to people who hate it, they’re gonna be pissed. To expect less would be silly, and it would be elitist to say that only the content-makers get a say in what worked and what didn’t. And I’m pro-content-makers, for sure, and the way some people have expressed themselves here is stupid as hell, but sometimes I DO have to blame bad content choices regardless. Amateur nitpicky criticism is one of my least favorite modern trends. It’s horrible. But sometimes it’s… well… a lot more than a nitpick. At the very least, it would’ve been better if the observations were more matter-of-fact, and less pushy. Be a set of eyes, absorb it, don’t let your social complaints possess you, and you can actually express them more clearly in the end. Do you have the right to watch it however you want? Yes, but it’s not all about rights. The right to say whatever you want about anything you want, the right to watch stuff how you choose to watch it and so on… that’s what got us YouTube comment sections. No, as much as the move toward looseness in entertainment is probably a good thing, a little professionalism in production choices isn’t going to hurt you. It’s not unlike the whole Dork Fork thing that happened a while back; just because your network is all about positivity and the content is free doesn’t mean it’s beneficial to shit on an overwhelmingly put-off audience. Instead, call a production meeting. Fix some stuff. Or, yunno, if you really believe in it, don’t fix anything… but don’t complain about people on the internet complaining. You get to do your thing, and you have a big audience. Isn’t that enough? (The above advice doesn’t have so much to do with this ep, but could be listened to by many Nerdist network hosts. I’ve seen an above-average clustering of these incidents around here.) Now… this episode was simply a bad call because it didn’t sell anybody on anything. It was a book-burning. Any sexist idiots who heard it are still idiots. On the other hand, a fan review could have actually enlightened some people. Beyond an element of spectacle, it just wasn’t entertaining… and yunno, that’s not the end of the world. Quality control is still a thing. You’re getting ad dollars. And really, if I wanted to watch somebody do whatever they wanted without any accountability, I’d watch the rednecks across the street smoking on their porch all day. I love you with all my heart, boys. Picklemeth says: October 10, 2013 at 10:10 am Oh man, the new episode is on iTunes now, and you guys are gonna hate it! Morgoth67 says: October 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm Why? HavinFun says: October 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm I Heart Nerd Rage :). Ainsley says: October 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm So, Octopussy anyone? Or Sanity will return in, Live and let live. Bwada da bwada da, ba ba ba da da. Jimbo Bond says: October 8, 2013 at 12:33 pm Top marks! Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 12:12 pm I don’t care about rescuing the damsels. Fuck those cunts. Jimbo Bond says: October 8, 2013 at 11:20 am I dunno – I’m on the fence, as it’s not really selling for you. Maybe more with the “asshole” piece, less with the “rescuing the damsels” material? Food for throught. Though, you did handle the rage guy pretty well. Kudos for that. Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 11:18 am Other than that, I’m just about done here. Bye everyone! I’ll never forget you! Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 11:15 am I like your style! I’ve always thought of myself as an asshole as well. Can’t that be my motive instead of fantasizing about being pussywhipped? Jimbo Bond says: October 8, 2013 at 11:10 am I’m a complete asshole. Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 11:02 am Sounds about right. What’s your excuse? Jimbo Bond says: October 8, 2013 at 10:22 am LOL! Picklemeth’s got a crush. This is so great. You probably think you’re coming off all slick and casual about this, don’t you? Kid, you aren’t fooling anyone. Reality: He wears the armor, and it is white like sweet, sweet cocaine. When he sees a damsel in distress, online of course, he rushes to their side. The reckless misogyny and rape apologist behavior of James Bond will not stand – not on his watch! He calls himself Picklemeth. And if you girls ever need a shoulder to cry on, if you ever need someone to talk about how frustrated you are with your boyfriends, if you ever need a really solid “friend” (*who will be pining for you sexually and harbor deep feelings for you and masturbate to thoughts of you returning those feelings -which you never will- after you leave), Picklemeth is your guy. The friend who *could* be something more…right? Um…right? Hello? Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 10:12 am You’re great! Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 9:49 am I suggested you stop reading this shit, and you just posted a long attack comment, which seems to be almost entirely based on my use of the word “intelligent”. But you’re the one who wants this to end, and I’m the one keeping this going? I love you. ericmci says: October 8, 2013 at 10:10 am http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuue0E4XNQ4 Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 9:22 am Oops, my mistake! Please reread my previous comment, but replace “everyone” with “that one guy”, then give me an intelligent response. Sorry for the confusion. <3 ericmci says: October 8, 2013 at 9:29 am When you ask an intelligent question maybe you’ll get an appropriate response. And coming into a conversation like this- what is your stake in it? Why would you care enough to sit down and try and pry into it? I personally want it to end, but you just seem eager to participate? Weird. And let’s Really get into it. You apparently deem yourself qualified to gauge intelligence based on what? Feel free to post your CV, any post college accomplishments, letters of note. I mean we want to make sure everything here is official and vetted right? Maybe you should drop your email as well. It seems like you and the other esteemed scholar might have a lot and common. Maybe you could grab a Lime-A-Rita together. Picklemeth says: October 8, 2013 at 9:08 am Hey ericmci, if you desperately want everyone to shut up, you could just stop reading these comments. I think you’ve had your views validated by enough people, right? You can be done here. You don’t need any more INEXplicably formatted rage FILLED Rants. ericmci says: October 8, 2013 at 9:15 am Where- Show me where I said everyone. One dude keeps calling me out specifically. And for once I felt like addressing blow for blow. That seems pretty clear.(for anyone who bothered to read it) Anyone who didn’t bother to read this- Two sided rant, good for you. So either stay out of it or go back and read the whole exchange before You comment on it. iS ThAt o-K w/ith You? Sue says: October 8, 2013 at 8:37 am I’ll second that second. I’d love to hear Matt and Matt take another shot at Goldfinger. With some who isn’t surprised by the sixties. Ezra says: October 8, 2013 at 8:17 am I was completely unaware that sex was a possibility. I would like to change my previous comment to one of total support for this episode. I too am a staunch feminist and enjoyed the lack of bondversation more than anything. I hope future installments are equally bereft of commentary about bond films. Might I suggest members from the Animal Liberation Front for Thunderball? Is there a specific process for collecting on my sexual favors? Bob says: October 8, 2013 at 8:01 am Ahhhh, yes. In order to disagree, I must be white knighting or must have received/ must be expecting sex in return. A classy, moral high ground argument from a classy fella. This was a good episode, I enjoyed it (as I have all the episodes, and all the Bond movies), and these comments have shown me that it was worth it. You all wanna rage on about those not-really-feminist shrill bitches ruining your Bond flick comedy podcast, go for it. Didn’t mean hold up the momentum for the MRA pep rally. You guys go crazy. ericmci says: October 8, 2013 at 8:12 am Man you’ve just got me All figured out. How about this- GO FU*K Yourself? Just Shut UP! No more justified argument – no substantiated opinion or debate. I am just going to tell you to SHUT UP. Stop talking. GO Away. You don’t know me- or these women and the degree and scope that you seem comfortable in assessing the totality of people is nearing sociopath levels So Shut Your Diet Tab hole. Picklemeth says: October 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm So this “Google” tells me that “white knighting” means defending someone, possibly in hopes of recognition. I only know Alie and Georgia from this, and an episode of Jonah Raydio. They are not a part of my life at all, and I don’t really care what they think of me. They also probably aren’t reading the 100+ comments here. I just disagree with the majority here. No bullshit internet slang necessary, just differing opinions.