James Bonding James Bonding #002: SKYFALL with Steve Agee Posted by Katie Levine on September 12, 2013 Share: Twitter Facebook Google+ Reddit Email Matt and Matt invite Steve Agee to discuss how the sky falls! Follow @JamesBondingPOD, @MattMira, and @MattGourley on Twitter! Tags daniel craig, James Bond, james bonding, matt gourley, Matt Mira, skyfall, steve agee Related Posts What's New What's Trending Visiting the Set of TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT article THE MUMMY Trailer Brings Universal Monsters Into Modern Day article SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE Salutes Christmas' Other Savior, The Re-Gifted Candle, in Song article Hang on! 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Fartbooty says: September 23, 2014 at 4:58 pm Never noticed the cgi Bond face on the motorbike before maybe it’s more noticeable on the big screen but upon watching it again looks seamless to me maybe I need new glasses lol Connor says: June 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm 1000-2000$ for a day “gets us out of bed”, Myrah is such a douche. Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 9:51 am Heaven fucking forbid that actors get paid for working. Deckard says: June 3, 2014 at 12:01 am Turns out the Mike Brevil character as played by Jeremy Bulloch was named Smithers. On Her Blackman's Secret Cervix says: February 3, 2014 at 12:27 pm My problem with Skyfall is that I have never needed or wanted James Bond’s origin story, background, any of it. Punch me in the face for saying this, but in a lot of ways, he’s not an actual character. He just needs to show up, look right, and do cool stuff. Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 4:40 am Well fuck everyone else for trying a different spin on the character. It’s not like there have already been a half-dozen different iterations of him. You’re like the people who hate the Nolan Batman films because they aren’t the Burton Batman films. Fartbooty says: December 14, 2013 at 4:00 pm oops my bad u guys did mention it Fartbooty says: December 14, 2013 at 2:57 pm How have you not mentioned the part when Bond jumps off the digger and adjusts his cufflinks like a boss?! Mister New York says: November 14, 2013 at 11:34 am What do you think of THIS interpretation? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-11/the-secret-james-bond-missed-in-skyfall-.html Mike says: October 22, 2013 at 6:00 am You pointed out that there were 3 former Sam Mendes Hamlets in this movie, which was interesting. A related bit of trivia: Sam Mendes just produced an excellent TV movie of Richard II for BBC, and he cast Q as Richard II, and Tanner as Henry IV. If he could have found a part for Ralph Fiennes and Judi Dench, it would have been a clean sweep. Eamon says: October 14, 2013 at 11:45 pm I think you guys roughly point out my difficulties with Skyfall. It’s very pretty to look at, and there are some good performances, but it doesn’t fit together. Silva (and his plan) is fairly outrageous, the NOC list is silly, but then they are trying for serious ‘Bond is getting old’ plot. Plus, Bond looks incredible in this! Make him slightly pudgy, or something. Something more than having a weak beard. A beard does not make someone into a wreck. Plus, his fall off the train would have killed anybody, so using that as an awakening is silly to me. Still, so pretty to watch that I’d see it again on Bluray. But I can’t take the plot seriously. Which is fine, but it goes against what the movie seems to be attempting. Good show guys. Gives me a reason to watch the movies all over again. Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 4:51 am Skyfall is much more about a clash of themes, to me, than about the surface-level plot. The Daniel Craig Bond films have very much been about stripping away the fantastical and wild elements that the Bond franchise had developed, and there have been many asides and nods to that in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Recall the parkour setpiece, which has the villain of the scene doing all sorts of absurd acrobatics while Bond just takes the quickest route from point to point. Skyfall is a much more expansive and pointed takedown of mid- and late-series Bond excess, basically devoting the entire film to Daniel Craig’s Bond fighting against a villainized version of the 1980s/1990s Bond. That’s who Silva is to me. He represents the way that Bond had become so outlandish by the end–“acting beyond his brief”–so he was cut loose and replaced by a leaner, tougher model. These three films have always been about getting James Bond, the character, back to square one as seen in Dr. No, but updated for the modern age. So we started with the blank-slate Jason-Statham-character-clone at the beginning of CR, slowly added the personal texture and flavor of tragedy and loss that shape the classic Bond figure, and finally established the fully formed and realized character, and a big part of that journey was exorcising the demons of the absurd, ridiculous spectacles that Bond films got to in the 80s and 90s. roggy1 says: October 4, 2013 at 7:55 am I have a theory on the controversial bit where Silva blows up the wall /ceiling and a tube train falls through. The train is empty. That suggests that it’s a train in a depot. could that be the answer as to how he knew a train would be there, because there always is, it’s where they keep the trains? So if you rig it to blow then a train will fall through the hole. Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 4:42 am That, or something along those lines, has always been my assumption. There is clearly nobody on that train, so it seems fairly obvious that he rigged a little setup for himself to use in that specific location if he needed one. Michael manzi says: September 25, 2013 at 6:46 am Exposition that is split up between multiple scenes could be referred to as “Roaming Exposition” I think this is the podcast I was listening to when that question came up. Thanks for the show. Purpleslog says: September 22, 2013 at 12:39 am I think one episode about all of the alt-bonds and bond-lites would be interesting at the end too: The Our Man Flint Movies, the original Casinio Royale, Man From Uncle, The Wild Wild West, Austin Powers, etc. Josh says: September 18, 2013 at 8:10 am You guys should do a podcast talking about James Bond Jr. Qos says: September 17, 2013 at 4:51 pm If you’re still considering segment suggestions, I have one or two to take or leave. You try to stump the other host, in this case the other Matt, with an obscure piece of Bond trivia (or share one you think the other Matt does not know), either about the movie du jour or the Bond universe. 1 attempt each. Loser buys martinis. OR Bond in the news, if there’s enough weekly Bond news to make a segment… enjoying the podcast as I do all Nerdists. Thanks. Colossus Prime says: September 17, 2013 at 2:00 pm Dammit… not that I thought the last ep was bad, just prefer a little more structure 🙂 Colossus Prime says: September 17, 2013 at 1:59 pm So much better than the last episode. GREAT job. I always chalked most of Silva’s plan up to contigencies. Like he already had a few dozen audibles in play but we weren’t shown that (I thought the same of the Joker’s plan coincidentally). HOWEVER from the point of being in the cell and escaping it is weak since he HAS to be kept in a cell that is controlled by computers, and an idiot HAS to plug it directly into the mainframe around the time he needs it. Also, not a fan of Bond tapping Moneypenny since like you guys pointed out, in the old films they flirted which was fun to watch, but never anything more and I think that is very important for their relationship. JayCobb1045 says: September 17, 2013 at 8:00 am In the discussion of worst moments in Bond film history, I can’t believe the pigeon double take in Moonraker isn’t at the top of everyone’s list. Just awful, even in the Moore era. Jaime says: September 17, 2013 at 7:51 am I couldn’t find the part in the song intro where Silva is getting tortured like Gourley said. Anyone have a screencap of it? Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 7:59 am It’s right after the dragon kite sequence. It’s not obvious at all, but once you know to look for it, that’s definitely what’s going on, especially since the flickering imagery culminates with the viewer’s POV going into the man’s mouth–where his cyanide tooth was. farleyk says: September 14, 2013 at 6:51 pm I look on the product placement in the old Bond movies as a means of them adding authenticity to the location. The Red Stripe, for example. It makes the exotic locale more believable, given that it scenes may not have been done on location, to save expense, etc. One of my favorite moments in Skyfall is when we find out about Moneypenny. And, by the way, what did she do with those millions in the case that Bond got at the casino? They weren’t government money, so who gets them? Jono says: July 18, 2014 at 4:45 am Presumably, she put it all on red. Brian says: September 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm I am really enjoying these podcasts. It’s comforting to know there are other people in the world that are as obsessive about 007 as I am. I’m not alone anymore!! In reply to your comment that George Lazenby’s “other fellow” line was the worst moment in any Bond movie, I would counter with the slide whistle sound effect during the spiral jump in The Man With the Golden Gun as the worst. They completely ruined what was perhaps one of the coolest stunts ever attempted on film. Which suggests another topic for possible discussion: “Moments in Bond movies when music/sound effects/attempts at humor really kill a scene.” p.s. John Barry did admit once that the slide whistle was a HUGE mistake. Still no excuse, though! Bob says: September 14, 2013 at 9:48 am I am disappointed that this is potentially the end of such wonderful characters as Buffalo BIll Albert Finney and MI6 agent Mike Brimmer. I feel confident that Australian-Accented Matt Gourley will be back at some point. Wildride says: September 13, 2013 at 11:08 am Just be careful who you “Ma’am”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cXt3pvTNBNs#t=96 Joshua Bryan Hammack says: September 13, 2013 at 10:47 am I can’t wait till I do do bonding over bonding over Bond, and do it in chronological order. Ross says: September 13, 2013 at 5:32 am Those early specific brands in Bond films aren’t product-placement(a company specifically paying a film to show their product). They were putting on film Fleming’s description of Bond as having very firm opinions about the best version of what he uses/consumes, the motivation for which he explains in “Casino Royale”. I find the whole did Bond & Moneypenny make the beast with two backs depressing; Fleming was very clear about what kind of person she was, and how the agents treated her: flirt all you like, but nothing is going to happen, because she’s the den mother to all the field agents, and refuses to get involved with any of them. And no one is going to risk the wrath of M by really pursuing her. If he was sent to Eton, the one thing Bond _wouldn’t_ be eatin’ is p**sy; it is an all-male school. Oh, and “Mum” vs “Ma’am” is an old debate left over from Victoria, and the older courtiers of hers. In reality, you do NOT call anyone “Mum” or “Marm”–it’s “Ma’am”. Tim says: September 13, 2013 at 3:19 am oops, that should have been “to rhyme with ‘harm’ ” obviously. Tim says: September 13, 2013 at 3:17 am Great podcast. FYI, it’s “Maam” to rhyme with ‘ham’ not “Marm” to harm with ‘harm’. NB It is NEVER ‘mum’ as in ‘Queen Mum’. PS In QoS, JB mispronounces the word. Cullen says: September 13, 2013 at 12:08 am this is my favorite new podcast. Matt says: September 12, 2013 at 11:25 pm Great podcast by the way, sorry if I came off as a condescending jackarse. Matt says: September 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm They Don’t call M mum, It’s ma’am. Wildride says: September 12, 2013 at 6:03 pm An interesting stat to keep track of would be the number of actors per appearance for each character in James Bond movies. Like Tanner, for example, four different actors play him in six movie appearances. Obviously someone like Moneypenny would have a low number and Felix Leiter would have a high one. Patrick says: September 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm woo-hoo!!!